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Beijing Olympic Games.
Hi there (Hony)
We think that it is a total disgrace that nowhere is there mentioned of the disabled dressage riders which are representing South Africa in the Paralympics games, except a small mention of Philippa Johnson in the HQ this month.
My sister, Marion Milne and two others; Mark and Kerry, are also
competing and no mention is made of them. The huge sacrifice and
achievement it is for them to represent and I think as riders, there
should be made a huge fuss of them.
I am in constant contact with my sister via email and I know exactly how
difficult it is for them to get around and compete on borrowed horses
from Germany.
We would like to inform anybody of their schedule and achievements over
there, all the inside info.
Please make people aware of this situation as we are very proud of them
and feel they deserve to be mentioned and recognized.
Thank you
Kind Regards
Michelle Milne
Hi there (Hony)
Just want to forward to you the email I sent to HQ Magazine to the total disregard to the only equestrian competitors of the Beijing Olympic Games.
What do you think?
Kind Regards
Michelle Milne
-------Original Message-------
Good day
I am highly disgusted with the article in the new HQ Magazine, Issue
#44.
Philippa Johnson is not the only person representing South Africa in the Beijing games. How come the other three riders; Marion, Kerry and Mark; are not mentioned? And why is it such a small article? I think you need to make a new article, a bigger one, apologizing to the other three riders and explaining that they too will be representing South Africa at the Beijing Games. They too have achieved great things and should be mentioned and recognized!
Thank you for your time.
I will be looking out for the new article, and your response to my
email.
Kind Regards
Michelle
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Reaction to: Hey Hony, Don't give up, people are nervous of their own futures right now, yes, some in danger of loosing houses, cars - admittedly material things to you and I, but they can't get themselves out of the doldrums because they can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I just need to look out my window see my divine and very precious horses grazing to know there is light there even if I have to create it for them.
Do you have any contacts in the Horse
Products world - try and get some sponsorship for prizes,
start a competition and create the desire for people to get
something for free for going to the site. Sad I know but
this idea is working well in my own business at the moment
even in this very tight market.
Keep your tail up, and let the wind blow in
your mane - I'm going right now to click in the right
places. Hopefully many more will follow.
You are the head of the herd, just keep up
the good work - the others will follow, it's natural!
Warm wishes
Jill Watson
Bapsfontein
Hony Thank you that there are Hony's like you!!!!!!!! May you be blessed beyond your wildest expectations with joy and peace and may your hearts desires come to pass......... Thank you for the care and your relentless pursuit in speaking for those less fortunate than you. You sure are a one in a million Hony!! Please keep me on your list- it is my tonic in this daft SA and mixed up society where the animals have been turned into exiles' not even 2nd rate citizens! Here's is to Hony!!! |
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Horse abuse. I will NOT post the pictures here. |
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PRESS STATEMENT BY THE NOOITGEDACHT HORSE BREEDERS' SOCIETY (Horse Related) 3.5 days ago The position of the Nooitgedacht Horse Breeders' Society Council on cruel horse training methods The recent Cornelia cruelty case, where a so-called horse trainer was found guilty of animal cruelty in terms of the Animals Protection Act No 71 of 1962, has raised many concerns about some of the training methods used in the horse industry. The abused pony at the centre of this case is a Nooitgedachter, owned by Mr. Kiewiet Hartman, who also happens to be the president of the Nooitgedacht Horse Breeders' Society. Unfortunately this incident could be seen as an endorsement of cruel and unstructured training methods by both the NHBS and it's president. Regrettably the NHBS was not visionary enough to immediately condemn these training methods. At the time Mr. Hartman also failed to issue a statement that he did not condone such training methods. Since the implications of this case have become so public and widespread, it is clear that there is a great deal of anger around these issues, and particularly at the Nooitgedacht Horse Breeders' Society itself. In retrospect it is clear that the NHBS has misread the situation and apologises for this rather belated response. Mr. Hartman would like to clarify that he does not condone any form of cruelty to animals. The NHBS wants to state clearly and unconditionally that it in no way endorses any mistreatment of animals whatsoever. After serious discussion and soul searching, Mr. Hartman has vacated his position as president and board member of the NHBS with immediate effect. This issue has also highlighted the need for a stricter code of conduct for horse breeders. The NHBS therefore calls on all horse breeder societies to join them in an effort to agree on an humane and wide-ranging code of conduct to be applied throughout the industry. Issued by the Council of the Nooitgedacht Horse Breeders' Society on 12 June 2008.
Hi all, Have just received this - pls read, act and pass on..... CORNELIA HORSE CRUELTY COURT CASE AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE NOOITGEDACHT SOCIETY TO ALL HORSE-LOVERS: Recently a 17 yr old girl and her family were convicted of horse abuse and given severe landmark sentences. In the video evidence she is shown beating a distressed and tethered Nooitgedacht mare till it falls over and is then whipped aggressively on the ground. To view video, go to:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SqgJ6CUwsQ There is no focus or constructive intent in the 'training' and it seems purely a vehicle for the girl to vent her frustrations and inadequacies. On eTV's programme, Third Degree, the girl admitted knowing next to nothing about horse training, claiming that she was 'taught by the locals' and only did it for the money as she was poor. The mare ironically belonged to the President of the Nooitgedachter Society, Mr. Kiewiet Hartman. Astonishingly he has sent many of his horses to these people for 'training'. An expert witness at the trial has noted:- “As a horseman and trainer I have never seen such barbaric behaviour as displayed by these so-called trainers. What appalled me even more was the callous disregard of the horse’s owner, Mr. Kiewiet Hartman, who was present during the 2 DAYS that we had to attend court. During all the time he associated with the accused! Sometimes in uncomfortable circumstances to avoid the press T.V.crew and hostile stares from the public. He also avoided contact with a uniformed member of the SPCA team. When the video was shown in court, people in the gallery wept. After the sentencing, Mr. Hartman was asked if he was shocked at the video of what was done to his horse? He was heard to reply “NO, NOT REALLY.” Besides the cruelty, I am appalled, that Mr. Hartman is actually the CHAIRMAN of the NOOITGEDACHT HORSE SOCIETY!!!!!” Neither the Nooitgedacht Society nor Mr. Hartman have issued statements condemning, or distancing themselves from, the abuse – this reflects very poorly on the Society and its attitude to their horses. It has been reported that Mr. Hartman refuses to stand down as President nor will he call a meeting to review his position and the standing of the Nooitgedacht Society despite being indirectly implicated in a horse abuse case. IT IS TIME FOR SOME OUTSIDE PRESSURE!! Anyone who loves horses, hates animal abuse or owns a Nooitgedacht is requested to write a letter to the Nooitgedacht Society – info@nooitgedachter.co.za – demanding that the Society releases a statement and that Mr. Hartman stands down as president and resigns from the board and the society. IF WE DO NOTHING, WE ENDORSE THE ABUSE - JUST DO A QUICK EMAIL NOW AND SEND IT. PLEASE SEND THIS OUT TO ALL YOUR HORSE FRIENDS EVERYWHERE....... THANKS on behalf of all defenseless and abused horses. The following comments are from the Nooitgedacht Society's own website:- "The Nooitgedachter' s inherent affinity for humans..... its typically docile and affectionate temperament is one of its most endearing characteristics" "...thanks to their gentleness...." "The Nooitgedachter has inherited the Basuto Pony's courageous, loyal heart." "....whose loving temperament..." Dear Hony,
This is an unbearable piece of footage and one that I am sure
many of you will not be able to watch all the way through and
even if you watch some, I can not believe you will be able to do
so without an enormous amount of pain and emotion. I have seen
small snippets as it downloaded but I can't bear to watch it
through. There is very little that I can say other than I urge
you to comment. We have been asked to address this issue by HQ
as have a number of trainers I believe and there is going to be
a series on training and why it is "never necessary to beat a
horse to submission". I believe that there will be an editorial
on this subject in the next issue.
Thank you for your time,
Tamasine.
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Dear Hony,
I see you have also been
bombarded with the movement to stop horse slaughter.
We have to be very careful
about this. The pictures are horrific but most of them are of
horses that are already dead - at which point in my opinion they
are just there for dramatic effect. At the weekend I was
cutting up an impala carcass for the deep freeze. Not any
different really.
Although I hate the thought
of it, I truely believe that the slaughter of horses is
infinitely preferable to what happens to those who are bought,
not by a butcher but, by some chap who is going to put them into
harness. Admittedly some of them are well looked after but
this is not the usual case. Our rescue organizations are
already under pressure and if we follow the Americans and stop
horse slaughter, goodness knows what will happen to those
additional animals which will suddenly appear on the market for
sale or, more likely, for dumping in the veldt. Or worse,
still butchered with a knife in the townships.
I am not a vegetarian and I
believe that anyone who eats meat has no right to say anything
about horse slaughter after all the lot of cattle, sheep and
pigs is no better. However, perhaps it would be possible to
try to see to it that the poor creatures are more humanely
treated on their way.
I wish I could save them all
but this is the real world and sadly, that is not possible.
Kind regards,
Helen
horsebooks@tiscali.co.za
Hi Hony,
I am a friend of the Highveld
Horse Care Unit and received an e-mail from them regarding
the horse slaughter issue. You can read it on their website
but what it boils down to is that they have been involved
with it since the first auction and are keeping their eye on
things.
The circulating e-mail blows
things a little out of proportion, for instance: the
pictures of the abbatoir was taken in the USA and does not
depict the actual situation in the R.S.A.
You are most welcome to contact
them directly, I can also maybe try to forward the
newsletter from Facebook to you if need be.
Cheers, Elsabè
Hi
HHCU
COMMENTS ON RECENT E MAILS ENTITLED “ONDERSTEPOORT HORSE
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Inter School! |
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Hi Hony I would like to bring up a subject that is very close to my heart. It is my first year being involved in the inter schools, and I must say that I am not happy with it. I like the fact that the child can get the recognition for their sport at school, instead of being forced into A sport that they don’t enjoy to achieve in school. I give credit where credit is due with the organization, etc As that is on par. My disappointment actually comes in with how ethical and correct the show organizers and judges at these Show are. It is my impression that judges are being biased toward the outside riders and placing the riders of their own facility. I do not mean to cause vibes so I wont be mentioning the name of the establishment. I thought I was the only outsider noticing That this establishments riders were always on the lists whether they entered late or not, even though late entries are supposedly strictly Forbidden. Then it seemed to get even crazier when that establishments riders took 1st, 2nd and 3rd in dressage, performance, equitation and Jumping. This then also got even more out of hand, when a number of those riders took 1st place, when they did u turns in their dressage test Due to missing their transition points, and some of the jumping winners knocked jumps, when through start post without their bell, and a rider Even fell off before the finish line, but won her class. If the sport is biased, some children never stand a chance. I was also extremely Disappointed by the fact the comments where heard being made to riders from other yards, stating that they were not good enough to be in the Sport and that they should give up while they are ahead. Sad but unfortunately true. Cannot believe our sport is getting this incorrect and unreliable. This forces us to the conclusion of watching every rider in the class and marking their penalties so that we can correct the judges on a constant basis If necessary. This should be sorted out as this is just not right. The inter schools is supposed to build up the rider, not break them down Please place this as It would be interesting to see how many feel this way Thank you ANONYMOUS Mail your comments hony@honystable.com |
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Moving Dead Horses |
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Dear Hony
The person who let you know about uncovered dead horses on a truck has no empathy at all. MANY people are losing horses at present from horse-sickness. It is really difficult to dispose of the carcasses as they are lethal for dogs. Finding someone to transport them is a nightmare. BUT if one needs to cover horse-carcasses - use plastic rubbish bags. You can put one over the head, one over each pair of legs and then use the roll like a "bandage" over the abdomen and hindquarter. If you are lucky, one roll ( at about R20). will be enough so that people's feelings won't be hurt by your tragedy. If you need to cover a pile of dead horses - cobble the bags together with string to form a tarpaulin and weight in the corners with bricks tied on with string or ropes. Use ski-ropes or baling twine. These will not be stolen. Cheryl McCrindle |
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Comment on the membership fees saga: |
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Hi Hony.
I would like to raise a discussion form on the following topics
in reply to the membership fees saga: KEP's entrance road. It
is terrible!! I went to Easter fest and my poor horse and I
almost got concussion driving on that road. Its like going to
the carnival ride for free! If membership fees has to be so
high at least fix the road!! It cant be healthy for horses to
go bumping around in a horsebox especially after a hard days
work.
Yes all the other province's envy KEP, BUT there are THS members
that are getting less eager to go to KEP because they don't want
to drive on the entrance road!
Then also the fact that some of the THS office staff aren't very
friendly when you need help telephonic. We understand that
every one has their off days but to be rude to the clients is
just not on! Don't get me wrong some of them are very polite
and ALWAYS very helpful. Its just here and there that a bad
apple climbs out.
If you are a THS member please comment on this fact.
*Zella*
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Hi Hony.
Right, so seeing as I am in a emailing mood I might as well give
my 2cents worth on ALL the comments. I sat in front of my PC
for hours tonight reading about every ones bitching and moaning
about the sport. Isn't the equestrian sport there to show a
unique bond between two "friends" - the horse and rider. I do
agree with half of the people that the sport is WAY to
political! Come on people we live in SA , we do not need any
more politics as it is.
Regarding a posters view on forcing people to upgrade after a
certain amount of points have been collected is absurd!!
Believe it or not the are actually nervous riders out there who
are comfortable in the current grade they are in, even if it is
for the 3 yr in a row. Would you rather have a confident rider
working in since with his/her horse in a grade that he is
comfortable with or force that same rider up a grade and cause a
career ending crash or injury as the rider could not cope with
the higher grades?? The current grading system has worked for
years, why change it now and cause unnecessary confusion. The
fact that A-graders can jump in a F-grade class isn't such a big
deal. I jumped a baby horse in a F-grade class competing
against some of the best SA riders and they didn't even place.
What I'm trying to say is the more professional riders aren't in
those classes to "steal" the prices, they are there to give a
baby horse the confidence it needs to get to the top - isn't
that what we are all supposed to do??
As for the white jod's "issue". STOP BEING BRATS!! Its a
tradition, and so what if you fall and your jod's get dirty or
you have a little cellulite. If you want to design clothes go
to fashion school and stop riding. Its not a glamorous sport.
You get sweaty, dirty, black nails and sometimes soaked in the
rain. If your in it to look "cute" get out, because you wont
get far!!!
A little while ago a great rider named Karen Vorlaufer (see THS
website for more info) was very badly injured. It was a simple
fall of a standing horse and she will never ride again. Stop
trying to out do and out run each other and enjoy what you have
while you have it!! It might just be taken away in a flash!
Bottom line is. Try to remember the true meaning, passion and
tradition of the sport - A Partnership! Try to conceder the
people around you and stop trying to get the red ribbon on a
silver platter!!
Just enjoy!
Regards
*Zella*
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Comments on Interschools 2008 |
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Hi Honey
Saw your newsletter. Very true
about what you said about the Interschools. If there is no
shows for the other provinces, who participates at the
Nationals?? Is the Nationals not Nationwide??
We are from the Gauteng North
region. I saw that the 2nd qualifying show is right in the
middle of the school holidays which makes is impossible for some
of the kids to participate.
They told me that the calendar is very full and they don't have a choice. They only count 3 shows from the 4 in any case. BUT, the 4th qualifier is ALSO in the school holidays. I just wish that it was different, so that all the kids have an equal chance to perform.
Thank you so much for your
newsletter and your great WebStable.
Keep up the good work!!
Reinette
I absolutely agree that something needs to be done about the lack of rules as well as the fact that the few rules that there are, are very confusing! For example, schools may use square school numnahs and t-shirts but under showing it says that SANEF rules will be applied. SANEF rules which forbids square numnahs & t-shirts!!! Very confusing if one has to judge these classes and unfair towards competitors as normal (SANEF) showing gear is obviously much neater than school t-shirts and square numnahs!! Juanita Jamneck |
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The Golden Oldies Show. |
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Hi Hony Thanks to Alan for organising this I had great fun even though I didn’t really want to do it, the riders gave each other lots of support and it was nice not to have all those ponies racing around, just the oldies having fun. Debbie Allcock
Hi Hony Hi Hony I would like to add my thanks to the organizers of the above. You can count on my support for future competitions. Thanks a lot. David Jones |
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No more C/J/A ????? |
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Hi Hony
FOR MY FIVE CENTS: WE IN ZIMBABWE TRIED THIS HEIGHT SITUATION AND ALL HORSES AND PONIES JUNIORS NOT CHILDREN JUMPED TOGETHER.
THE ADULTS FELT THAT THE JUNIORS OF
JD ETC WERE JUST GALLOPING AND STILL CRAZY AND NEW E GRADE
HORSES WITH ADULTS NEVER RECEIVED PLACES DUE TO THESE JUNIORS.
BRAVE FEARLESS 14/15/16 YEAR OLDS
ARE VERY HARD TO BEAT.
SO IN ZIMBABWE WE SPLIT INTO ADULTS
AND JUNIOR GRADES UNTIL 120M THEN THEY WERE COMBINED.
THIS WORKED VERY WELL FOR OUR
LIMITED NUMBERS.
THANKS FOR THE GREAT WEBSITE AND
LETTERS.
REGARDS
CINDY
******************************************** Dear Hony, Are we falling prey to owners competing with a pony/horse where they are not suppose to compete??? We are finding more and more CA/CB ponies going on to JC/JB??? Are we jumping “ponies” in pony classes that does not measure???? What do they do with this miniature horse??? Let both rider and horse/pony carry a point system and then we will be able to match a horse and rider to a level. Does a current Adult D grade horse jumping with a children rider at 70cm make sense at all???? What are we testing at that level?? Horse or rider ability?? Are we creating a system where mounts will be ridden in more classes therefore placing extra strain on the animal?? I am all for the international way of doing it, on condition that we apply all the international criteria then with it. Lets ensure that we do not go this route merely because a member imported a “pony” that does not measure and now we must change!!!! What will this do to the price in the market for these animals???? Waiting in anticipation to see what will happen in this soap opera!!!! Johann ******************************************* Hi Honey, I am personally very happy to see this development. I remember when my daughter started riding how daunting the SJ business looked with the E, D, C, B and A grades, in different age groups, and …. to top it all CE and JE and AE were not the same heights !. Though one got used to it, the new system is surely better. I think Ponies, Juniors and Adults should remain split. There are many adult “late starters” in the sport for whom jumping 90 is a challenge. They will have no chance against a junior that has been jumping since childhood if the compete in the same class at the same height. Give the give oldies a chance !! Your bells and blind horse story was precious - thanks Keep up the website ! Linette |
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It looks great, love your website!
Laura.
Easy to use and move around, and modern!
Sally
Hi, I think your new look is fantastic. Regards Janine Hi Hony. I like the new look of your website. Also easy to use. I was reading about TREC. I do believe I have found my niche in riding. Do you know if there is anything in Gauteng though, coz all the events and clubs seem to be KZN based? Take care Carrol-Lynne |
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I ENJOY RECEIVING ALL YOU OFFER AND AM ALWAYS CHECKING OUT YOUR SITE – THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK REGARDS PENNY ***********************************
Is my service of value to you and your friends? YES Thanx, and keep up the good work on a “lekker” to read and visit WebStable. Kobus Greyling ***************************** Renowned
International Rider and Trainer, Peter Storr in SA in
October Thanks a stack!
This is exactly the type of positive
mindset that is needed to grow the sport!!!
Jaco Fourie
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Hi Hony
Just a small comment from me about using numbers instead of names. Sounds like a good idea for those who are illiterate, but isn't that the point that when your name is called out (or horses) that you get that feeling of pride to be involved in this sport. With being involved with scuba diving for the last 10 years, becoming a number at any dive concession was a big no-no and definitely a place to avoid. Being remembered by name because of your reputation is always something to look forward to.
(Being a good reputation that is!) Just my
two pennies worth!
Cheers
Vicki Thackeray
Dear Honey
I can only think that your suggestion
of calling horses and riders by a number and
not a name is a joke. I have never heard such a ridiculous
idea!!! One of the interesting things about horses is their
unusual names and the origins of those names. you cannot
possibly have horses being simply a number at a show.
Liz
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Two Horses
He watches over us and even brings others into our lives to help us when we are in need. Sometimes we are the blind horse being guided by the little ringing bell of those who God places in our lives. Other times we are the guide horse, helping others see. Good friends are like this. You don't always see them, but you know they are always there.
Please listen for my bell and I'll listen for yours. Thanks for
being a friend!
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South Africans are Educated Riders????: |
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Re: Dorian Williams
You don't have to tell me. I was there listening to his words in person - lived and competed through those times, and that's exactly how it was. Regrettably, not anymore today. In those days, and in
addition to what Dorian Williams mentioned at his
presentation, and being a pony club member one learned other
equestrian skills such as vaulting, driving (carting),
playing polo and joining the Rand Hunt - all part of growing
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Hi Hony As far as your question below…”What does it take to….”:
Regards, Lesley Ashton |
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Hi Hony
I THINK THAT YOU ARE
DOING A GREAT JOB... I HAVE HAD MANY PEOPLE PHONING
ABOUT THE HORSE THAT I HAD FOR SALE... KEEP UP THE
GOOD WORK
Kind regards, Linda
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Comment on the Grading |
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Hi Hony Just to let you know some of us who have a * behind our names is because our horses are star horses. For many of us our horses are to young or to inexperienced to go up to the next grade but we do not take away points from any of the other competitors, once you become a star horse you do not accumulate any more points and the points are given to the next competitor down the line. Why should I be penalized and jump H/C just because my horse is the best in the class. Regards Laurel |
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Hi Honey What a good idea to host a forum on this subject. I have read the comments and confess confusion. Is the THS Jumping Committee proposing no grading system at all, changing the current system of grading horses or changing to a system of grading riders? If the idea is to move to grading the riders I think it is a very good idea. This is the overseas system that everyone is raving about. If the idea is to amend the current system, I am not sure what the intention is and no one has made it clear yet. PLEASE DO SOMEONE If the intention is for no grading system at all then I am not happy. I pay my THS subs, when I go to shows my entry fees include SANEF and THS levies but if I understand correctly from the proposal I saw, with this system, the open riders on their open horses can enter and compete for prize money against me. Since the majority of prize money at our shows goes to these riders and their horse I feel this should not be allowed. Please someone give us clarity. Gill |
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Hi Hony
I read your idea on the grading system regarding ponies and horses in the same class and think it's a great idea. If that could be implemented it would encourage a lot more riders to compete (esp in the lower grades as this situation is more prominent there).
Secondly younger for children if a time period could be
implemented to stay within a grade for example a minimum of
12 shows over 6 months, it would discourage the parents to
race their child through the grades.
Hope it helps
Inge
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Hony, Yes and no. I share your concern with the professional pot-collectors, however, I do not necessarily share your view on the solution. Example, we had a pony who won more than half of the CD classes it participated in, not necessarily because of ability, but simply because it had a massive heart. Yet, when it was upgraded to CC, it simply could not cope. You may want to claim that it is because of the riders ability, but again I would disagree, as that same rider is currently winning 80% of her CA classes at present on Scooby Doo, a pony she produced herself. I would suggest rather to allow such a horse/pony to take part competitively, so they can be placed, but do not allow them to get prizes, same as they cannot get points. I totally disagree with your pony vs horse, especially when it gets to the higher grades. One of the better JA performers lately is a pony, Somersby. At these heights I maintain that a pony is at a disadvantage, so why do you want to penalise them further? With respect to going up the grades to quickly, that is a matter of judgement. I do not believe there is necessarily a problem going up quickly, but I have a problem with the horses going up undeservedly. Firstly, I believe the adult horses should be subjected to the same rule having to obtain 20 points before moving to the top grade. Secondly, I believe any horse should only be upgraded when it has been placed at least twice. Horses should be allowed to only gain about half their required points with slow double clears. Lastly, I also believe that horses are too expensive. But you miss the plot completely as to the reason. The reason they are so expensive are the idiot parents that want to buy their kid’s way to glory. Also, consider which horses are really expensive. It is those horses in the higher grades. And the people incapable of working and taking a horse through the grades, are those who pay the prices. I do believe that if you are not prepared to produce a horse yourself, you should pay the price. But let the market forces be. It will only kill the sport if people do not want to work their way through. If there are no such people in the sport, the sport does not have a right to survive. So, the bottom line is that I agree with you, but also disagree with you. Regards Bertie |
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I think it should stay how it is, the last
thing we want is people being able to push young horses to the
higher grades even sooner than they are now!
thanks!
ROBYN
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Just a thought.
It would probably eliminate a lot of the unhappiness if riders
were forced to upgrade after receiving a certain amount of
points. Let say or instance 40 or 50 points. Wouldn't this make
the competition more fair, and get rid of the handful of
"professional JF or JE or even G grade riders"? This would give
upcoming riders a fair chance.
Like I said
Just a thought.
Dr Anton Martin
Magaliesburg
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Comment on the Inter-Schools |
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Thanks for the e-mail
I just want to say that the horse boxes
was too many on Sunday!!!! Can't they do the finals for
the primary and secondary schools on different weekends?
The catering was POOR !!! The
toilets numbers have to increase with so many people!
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Hello Hony
Thanks for your reply.
I think you are doing a great job
- I always look forward to reading your
newsletters. At the moment I have nothing to add
but will keep on reading all the interesting
news.
I stable/ride at Kellow Park (a
really lovely yard when it comes to a) happy,
excellently cared for horses (which is the most
important thing in my book), b) nice,
down-to-earth, friendly people) and c) good
facilities. I was therefore thrilled when I saw
that you mentioned our training show coming up
this weekend. Many thanks for your support.
Have a good weekend. It is going
to be a one - with all these shows all over the
place.
I look forward to your next
newsletter.
Kind regards Sonia
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The New Inter-Schools body. |
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Hello Hony Attached info on the School Equestrian issue. Dear School Equestrian parent SA-ESL has been accepted into the new Government structure called NACOC during 2007 and was supported and acknowledge by both Dept of Education and Sport and Recreation SA. The Dept of Sport requested that there should be a direct relationship between ourselves and our National Federation and that 2 school structures will not be tolerated by the Departments. As the two school equestrian bodies have always been of concern to SA-ESL and the fact that it had a negative impact on the sport, we truly feel that this move is for the better of the sport and our children, and would urge you all to be patient and accommodating in the transitional phase. During the month of June 2007, the Department of Sport and Recreation initiated a meeting between SA-ESL, the Department of Sport and Recreation, SANESA, SANEF and SASCOC. At that meeting it was agreed that a NEW body will be formed to run School Equestrian from now on and that a follow-up meeting will be organised to set up this interim structure. At the second meeting held in Pretoria with SA-ESL, the Dept of Sport and Recreation, SANESA, SANEF and SASCOC present, it was decided that an interim committee will be structured consisting of SA-ESL representatives and representatives from SANESA and that this committee will handle the 2008 season, including all the necessary paraphernalia therewith. It was also decided that a JOINT Nationals will be held over the weekend of 22-24 September 2007 and that KEP will be used, and that a joint statement will be published, after approved by the Dept of Sport and Recreation. The Department released the following statement, which was approved by SANEF: " Representatives of SANEF, SANESA and ESL met on two occasions during the month of June 2007 with the Department of Sport and Recreation and the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee. The following has been agreed: 1. It is accepted that equestrian school sport as run by SANESA and ESL will in future operate as one body. 2. This body will operate under the auspices of the National Coordinating Committee (NACOC), a structure created by the Departments of Education and Sport and Recreation South Africa to coordinate school sport and will affiliate to SANEF and its Provincial bodies and their Regional structures. 3. An interim committee consisting of representatives of both SANESA and ESL has been formed and will function until elections in 2008. 4. A joint national championship will be held at Kyalami Equestrian Park on 22-24 September 2007. 5. The interim committee has been tasked with finalising the rules/regulations for ratification by SANEF and its Provincial bodies." Therefore, in this new structure, SA-ESL brought the blessing of the Government, SANESA the blessing of the Federation and together a new body will run school equestrian for the seasons to come. Please watch the website www.sa-esl.org.za as we will keep you up to date about the progress of the whole process and exactly how things will be orchestrated - for Nationals and the 2008 season. Kind regards Marlene du Plessis NATIONAL CHAIR: SA-ESL |
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Response to the Newsletter 03/07/2007 |
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Message to Hony from SANEF Showjumping Chairman/SJ Cox Dear Hony I am replying to your comments pertaining to the THS Showjumping Committee’s proposed changes to the Grading System that you have been featuring on your web-site. Please may I explain briefly the formation/procedures of Showjumping Administration in South Africa and the procedure necessary, according to the Constitution, for Rule Changes. The Showjumping Riders in each Region elect a Regional Showjumping Committee. Each Region appoints a member of their Committee (usually the Chairman) to sit on the National Committee, apart from THS who, following the Annual General Meeting held last weekend, have two delegates. It is this National Committee that approves all Policies and Rule Changes and elects the Chairman and Sub-Committees. So you see that the National Committee is representative of all showjumping members from all over the Country. The Committees value input from the members, after all they are the people that we serve. We live in a fast changing World and we must move forward and be open to change, but such change must be for the betterment of the sport and benefit of the majority. The KZNHS, WPHS, FSHS and ECHS have all received the THS proposals to enable them to obtain the input from their members and be prepared when they attend the National Committee Meeting which is to be held on 26 July, 2007 to discuss such proposals. No changes will take place before the meeting. 2007 is not a Rule Changing Year, but should there be an urgent need and the Committee is in agreement then the motions may be put in place for change. Each SANEF Discipline has a Rule Changing Year every four years. Anyone needing more information should contact their Showjumping Committee. Unfortunately, I am out of the Country until the 24th July, but the Vice-Chairman, Regina Hobbs (0829561537), will also be happy to help. I hope that this clarifies the situation for you and your readers. We definitely do care about and need to know your opinions, so go ahead and have your say, be it positive or negative. Sandy Cox 4 July 2007. |
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Hi Hony
On the question of grading
horse/rider, I think that both should be graded. To give you
an idea, here is what happens in the Netherlands:
Here one has to get successfully through a dressage test before one can jump. In the lower grades (1.00 m) both rider and horse are graded and there is a minimum number (and a maximum number) of points to collect before one can start in the 1.10 m and the same goes from 1.10 m to 1.20 and so on. Grading of rider: 1. Entering, halting, greeting: max. 10, 2. Way of riding the round: max. 10, 3. posture and seat:max. 10: total 35-70 sufficient; 0 - 34 insufficient. Naturally the horse should continue to be graded in order to prevent over facing. It would appear that the system of grading of the horse abroad is similar to the South African system Regards, Roosje |
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Hi Hony
On your comment "are we fixing the
sport?" I would like to give you some input from the FS
& NC side. I do not think that it is that easy, and
that quick to fix by just saying it is being done!
There is a lot of technically involved and a lot of
riders that will be affected by this.
I think that when looking at a huge
change like this it would be totally irresponsible to do
it hastily and with only 'the few' being involved. I
would also like to invite more riders to give their
input, especially those in the lower grades who are
going to be affected by competing in an "open" system.
It is vital for the riders to be involved
in deciding a future to the sport that is going to
impact on them BEFORE it is cast in stone as you said.
So PLEASE lets get them going and get the
'base' support of riders to give us their views. I
would also appreciate it if those negative views could
be passed on to more people as it seems as if only the
views of those in favor of it is being circulated.
Regards
REGINA
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Hi Hony
Can I suggest that if you want to be involved in the
decision making
process, that you serve on one of the THS committees - I think then you will see how much time and effort is put into communicating with as many people as possible regarding decisions. Cheers, Jane |
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Hi Hony
Let me be the first to say:
Its all good and fare, we are now one body again, but
where does it leave MY KID who rode her ass off to do
very good in both interschools?
Since the beginning we all
knew that there could only be one Interschool League....
so why the damn fighting. It seems to me that we all
wasted a year in equestrian because adults couldn't stop
being nasty and make up their minds what they want to
do.
And what about us that did
both of the interschool. All of a sudden we are one
again so to hell with all the time and effort that was
spent on driving across Gauteng to attend the shows.
What about the points accumulated? Its all gone now
like the smoke they blew into our eyes....
I think these people should
now get their act together and decide: WHAT IS THIS
SPORT ABOUT, IS IT ABOUT OUR KIDS OR THE ADULTS WHO CANT
KEEP THEIR FIGHTS OUT OF THE SPORT?
Concerned Parent
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Hi Hony
In
response to Rita's story re accident while boxing; I came
across THEE most wonderful man who helped us. We had to
"teach" 2 horses we acquired, to box. The 1 trashed our box
and the other just WOULD not, for love or money, walk in. He
took about 3 sessions per horse, used no force or ugly
methods. Best of all, he taught my daughter, her groom and
I, his methods and we have never looked back.
He is
incredibly knowledgeable and gave us all much needed
confidence in working with these massive horses! His name is
Andre 082 961 9061
Regards
Sandy F
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Dear Hony, Just wanted to say well done with your news letter – I read it with great interest and I think you are doing a splendid service to the horse riding fraternity. Keep it up and best wishes!!!! Hugo |
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Is it not time to join the rest of the world? |
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Hi Hony Yes that is a good idee. |
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Is the GRADING of horses a thing of the past? |
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Hi Hony
Grade the Rider
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Hi Hony
Please explain to me how the shows
will run.
Who decides what height a horse may
jump,
What happens to the usual points that
a horse could accumulate - this use to be the indicator
of the horse's ability, and very important for resale
purposes.
Regards
Marita
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Hi Hony
I don't know... I think its better if the horse is
graded... If we grade riders, the rider might expect too
much from a horse who is not yet ready for that specific
grade... I might be wrong...
but that's how I feel
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Hi Hony
Well done with your news letter and web site .... keep
it up. Regarding the grading issue, I offer some
personal comment.
Showjumping – Revisions to the Grading System I have received the email penned by Sue van der Merwe relating to proposed changes to the current grading system for Showjumping in this country. Firstly I have utmost respect for anyone who severs on a committee. There is little on no compensation for the many hours of work these dedicated people put in. The views expressed hereunder are not intended as personal criticism. Being new to the sport, at lease in a South African context, I have got to say that I find the current grading system is an excellent method of dividing horses and riders into fairly natural categories based on the ability and height readiness of both the rider and the horse. I am not totally familiar with the current UK grading system; however, I understand that is still based on the cumulative value of prize money a horse has won. From personal experience (albeit 20 years previous) I had several horses which jumped competently at Foxhunter and grade C level, but did not have the ability to go any further. Within 2 or 3 seasons the horses had won sufficient money to preclude them form the classes where they, and more often than not, the riders, were most comfortable. In the UK there was no opportunity there to downgrade horses and the average rider was then compelled to ranks of HC indefinitely. It seems to me that the current grading system in South Africa is both fair and logical. Furthermore I can see nothing wrong with a rider wishing to try out his horse in next grade up by entering a few shows on an HC basis. If it works then up-grade, if it doesn’t - nothing is really lost. In response to some of the points mentioned on Sue’s email I offer the following comments: There are currently at least seven grades – do we need any more? Would there be the time or resources at each show venue to cater for the additional classes? I believe the most informed riders regard the points system as an easily accessible record and an indication of the progress made in a particular grade. The rider is not compelled to move the horse up. Indeed from my understanding the horse can compete at the same grade regardless of the amount of competitions he wins. (Star horse) An added benefit of the points system is that it provides an independent record of the horse’s history and can be referred to when conducting pre-purchase investigations. If a talented horse is entered in grades below his ability it is likely to be for medicinal purposes or a schooling strategy. The handicap is that these entries ride HC, which is a fair method of protecting the riders who genuinely have horses in that particular grade. The opportunity is always there to downgrade should the rider perceive it to be prudent. I cannot see that is it “unreasonable” to pay for the use of the facilities being provided. The joy of receiving a rosette cannot be understated, however the motivation for entering a talented horse HC in a lower grade is more likely to be tactical and more often than not, a temporary measure. It is my opinion that the changes proposed by the committee should be offered to wider debate before being presented to the National Show Jumping Committee. I for one would be keen to hear the full extent of the proposed changes. Gordon Mowatt Email: gordon@spec-con.co.za |
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Hi Hony Hi, yes I think it’s a great idea to join the rest of the world. Toss. |
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Hi Hony
I agree you must grade the rider, but the rider must have
some knowledge of
horse master-ship, this can be obtained through the South
African Pony Club. |
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Hi Hony I say grade the rider only.
Kind regards, |
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Hi Hony i say GRADE THE HORSE! |
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Hi Hony Couldn’t agree with you more! We all have a common goal and a global unified system in my opinion is the only way to go.
Kind Regards,
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Hi Hony If you don't grade the horse then what is to stop someone from ruining a young horse by competing with it is a competition that is presently beyond its training and capabilities? |
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Hi Hony I think it would be great to grade the rider rather than the horse – it will make it easier to ride various horses and possibly cost the rider less than having to grade more than one horse. Hope this happens. |
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To All this is a PROPOSAL. Grading is absolutely not “ a thing of the past”. The THS Show Jumping Committee has made a proposal to the National Show Jumping Committee to upgrade our current system in line with the rest of the world. Obviously consensus will have to be reached by all the regions and the members. We will keep you informed, but you may send comments to sue.pec@mweb.co.za Anyone wishing to read the proposal may do so by contacting the above email Kind regards Sue v.d.Merwe |
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Where is it going wrong!!!! |
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Good Day to you I am from a country town and also a THS member. I just feel the culture of people in JHB is very skeptical towards the people from the country. The attitude from the JHB people at graded shows is "What are you doing here?" - like we are not good enough for the shows" That is the reason why we don't support the shows in JHB. We do get invitations with the hope we don't go. The people that run THS are all one circle of people. I hope I do not offend people in the JHB area this is only my perception! Thanks |
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Dear Hony The more people are aware of what is happening, the
better the questions that are asked. The strength of SANEF and THS
has always been secrecy, innuendo and rumour. The less people know,
the less they understand, the easier it is for THS and SANEF to
appear as experts and the only way to do things. We are all very bad
at getting the facts out to the greater constituency, the comments
on your forum about schools league show it. |
